[DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

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[DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

Robert Metzger
Hey all,

I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
[hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink community.

Why?
In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came from the US,
22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US at 20%.
An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group with more
than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in public forums
(our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a huge demand
in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide these users
the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to follow the
Apache way.

Is it possible?
I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are running
non-English user@ mailing lists.
Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have non-English
lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that all project
decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to happen in
English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation and our
community.
We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing lists.

How?
If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request the new
mailing list next Monday.
In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
discussions have stopped.
Then, we should put the new list on our website and start promoting it (in
said DingTalk group and on social media).

Let me know what you think about this idea :)

Best,
Robert


PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai
Hi Robert,

Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!

+1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the title, but
-cn in the opening email content.
I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for general
Chinese-speaking users).
All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English mailing
list.

From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's quite a bit
of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community can
actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing lists,
so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be indexed
and searchable.
Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
which in general is a form of contribution that the community always merits
a lot.

Cheers,
Gordon

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
> [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink community.
>
> Why?
> In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came from the US,
> 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US at 20%.
> An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group with more
> than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
> I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in public forums
> (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a huge demand
> in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide these users
> the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to follow the
> Apache way.
>
> Is it possible?
> I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are running
> non-English user@ mailing lists.
> Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have non-English
> lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
> One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that all project
> decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to happen in
> English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation and our
> community.
> We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing lists.
>
> How?
> If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request the new
> mailing list next Monday.
> In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
> discussions have stopped.
> Then, we should put the new list on our website and start promoting it (in
> said DingTalk group and on social media).
>
> Let me know what you think about this idea :)
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
>
> PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

Robert Metzger
Thanks for your response.

You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the mailing
list's name!

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
>
> +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the title,
> but
> -cn in the opening email content.
> I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for general
> Chinese-speaking users).
> All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English mailing
> list.
>
> From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's quite a bit
> of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
> It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community can
> actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing lists,
> so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be indexed
> and searchable.
> Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
> Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
> which in general is a form of contribution that the community always merits
> a lot.
>
> Cheers,
> Gordon
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
> > [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink community.
> >
> > Why?
> > In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came from the
> US,
> > 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US at 20%.
> > An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group with more
> > than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
> > I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in public forums
> > (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a huge demand
> > in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide these
> users
> > the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to follow
> the
> > Apache way.
> >
> > Is it possible?
> > I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are running
> > non-English user@ mailing lists.
> > Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have non-English
> > lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
> > One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that all
> project
> > decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to happen in
> > English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation and our
> > community.
> > We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing lists.
> >
> > How?
> > If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request the new
> > mailing list next Monday.
> > In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
> > discussions have stopped.
> > Then, we should put the new list on our website and start promoting it
> (in
> > said DingTalk group and on social media).
> >
> > Let me know what you think about this idea :)
> >
> > Best,
> > Robert
> >
> >
> > PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
> >
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

Stephan Ewen
+1, a very nice idea

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks for your response.
>
> You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the mailing
> list's name!
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
> >
> > +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the title,
> > but
> > -cn in the opening email content.
> > I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for general
> > Chinese-speaking users).
> > All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English mailing
> > list.
> >
> > From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's quite a bit
> > of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
> > It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community can
> > actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing lists,
> > so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be indexed
> > and searchable.
> > Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
> > Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
> > which in general is a form of contribution that the community always
> merits
> > a lot.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Gordon
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hey all,
> > >
> > > I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
> > > [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
> community.
> > >
> > > Why?
> > > In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came from the
> > US,
> > > 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US at
> 20%.
> > > An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group with
> more
> > > than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
> > > I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in public
> forums
> > > (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a huge
> demand
> > > in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide these
> > users
> > > the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to follow
> > the
> > > Apache way.
> > >
> > > Is it possible?
> > > I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are running
> > > non-English user@ mailing lists.
> > > Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
> non-English
> > > lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
> > > One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that all
> > project
> > > decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to happen in
> > > English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation and
> our
> > > community.
> > > We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing lists.
> > >
> > > How?
> > > If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request the
> new
> > > mailing list next Monday.
> > > In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
> > > discussions have stopped.
> > > Then, we should put the new list on our website and start promoting it
> > (in
> > > said DingTalk group and on social media).
> > >
> > > Let me know what you think about this idea :)
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Robert
> > >
> > >
> > > PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
> > > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
> > >
> >
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

vino yang
+1, a very good idea.

Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> 于2019年1月24日周四 下午7:43写道:

> +1, a very nice idea
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your response.
> >
> > You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the mailing
> > list's name!
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <
> [hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Robert,
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
> > >
> > > +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the
> title,
> > > but
> > > -cn in the opening email content.
> > > I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for general
> > > Chinese-speaking users).
> > > All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English
> mailing
> > > list.
> > >
> > > From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's quite a
> bit
> > > of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
> > > It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community can
> > > actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing lists,
> > > so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be
> indexed
> > > and searchable.
> > > Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
> > > Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
> > > which in general is a form of contribution that the community always
> > merits
> > > a lot.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Gordon
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey all,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
> > > > [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
> > community.
> > > >
> > > > Why?
> > > > In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came from
> the
> > > US,
> > > > 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US at
> > 20%.
> > > > An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group with
> > more
> > > > than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
> > > > I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in public
> > forums
> > > > (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a huge
> > demand
> > > > in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide these
> > > users
> > > > the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to
> follow
> > > the
> > > > Apache way.
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible?
> > > > I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are
> running
> > > > non-English user@ mailing lists.
> > > > Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
> > non-English
> > > > lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
> > > > One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that all
> > > project
> > > > decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to happen in
> > > > English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation and
> > our
> > > > community.
> > > > We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing lists.
> > > >
> > > > How?
> > > > If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request the
> > new
> > > > mailing list next Monday.
> > > > In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
> > > > discussions have stopped.
> > > > Then, we should put the new list on our website and start promoting
> it
> > > (in
> > > > said DingTalk group and on social media).
> > > >
> > > > Let me know what you think about this idea :)
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Robert
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
> > > > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

fudian.fd
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+1. I noticed that many folks from China are requesting the JIRA permission in the past year. It reflects that more and more developers from China are using Flink. A Chinese oriented mailing list will definitely be helpful for the growth of Flink in China.


> 在 2019年1月24日,下午7:42,Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> 写道:
>
> +1, a very nice idea
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your response.
>>
>> You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the mailing
>> list's name!
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Robert,
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
>>>
>>> +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the title,
>>> but
>>> -cn in the opening email content.
>>> I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for general
>>> Chinese-speaking users).
>>> All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English mailing
>>> list.
>>>
>>> From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's quite a bit
>>> of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
>>> It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community can
>>> actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing lists,
>>> so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be indexed
>>> and searchable.
>>> Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
>>> Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
>>> which in general is a form of contribution that the community always
>> merits
>>> a lot.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Gordon
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
>>>> [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
>> community.
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>> In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came from the
>>> US,
>>>> 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US at
>> 20%.
>>>> An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group with
>> more
>>>> than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
>>>> I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in public
>> forums
>>>> (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a huge
>> demand
>>>> in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide these
>>> users
>>>> the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to follow
>>> the
>>>> Apache way.
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible?
>>>> I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are running
>>>> non-English user@ mailing lists.
>>>> Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
>> non-English
>>>> lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
>>>> One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that all
>>> project
>>>> decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to happen in
>>>> English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation and
>> our
>>>> community.
>>>> We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing lists.
>>>>
>>>> How?
>>>> If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request the
>> new
>>>> mailing list next Monday.
>>>> In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
>>>> discussions have stopped.
>>>> Then, we should put the new list on our website and start promoting it
>>> (in
>>>> said DingTalk group and on social media).
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you think about this idea :)
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
>>>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
>>>>
>>>
>>


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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

Kurt Young
Big +1 on this, it will indeed help Chinese speaking users a lot.

fudian.fd <[hidden email]>于2019年1月24日 周四20:18写道:

> +1. I noticed that many folks from China are requesting the JIRA
> permission in the past year. It reflects that more and more developers from
> China are using Flink. A Chinese oriented mailing list will definitely be
> helpful for the growth of Flink in China.
>
>
> > 在 2019年1月24日,下午7:42,Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> 写道:
> >
> > +1, a very nice idea
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for your response.
> >>
> >> You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the mailing
> >> list's name!
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <
> [hidden email]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Robert,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
> >>>
> >>> +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the
> title,
> >>> but
> >>> -cn in the opening email content.
> >>> I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for general
> >>> Chinese-speaking users).
> >>> All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English
> mailing
> >>> list.
> >>>
> >>> From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's quite a
> bit
> >>> of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
> >>> It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community can
> >>> actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing lists,
> >>> so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be
> indexed
> >>> and searchable.
> >>> Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
> >>> Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
> >>> which in general is a form of contribution that the community always
> >> merits
> >>> a lot.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Gordon
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hey all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
> >>>> [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
> >> community.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why?
> >>>> In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came from the
> >>> US,
> >>>> 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US at
> >> 20%.
> >>>> An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group with
> >> more
> >>>> than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
> >>>> I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in public
> >> forums
> >>>> (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a huge
> >> demand
> >>>> in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide these
> >>> users
> >>>> the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to follow
> >>> the
> >>>> Apache way.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is it possible?
> >>>> I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are running
> >>>> non-English user@ mailing lists.
> >>>> Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
> >> non-English
> >>>> lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
> >>>> One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that all
> >>> project
> >>>> decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to happen in
> >>>> English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation and
> >> our
> >>>> community.
> >>>> We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing lists.
> >>>>
> >>>> How?
> >>>> If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request the
> >> new
> >>>> mailing list next Monday.
> >>>> In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
> >>>> discussions have stopped.
> >>>> Then, we should put the new list on our website and start promoting it
> >>> (in
> >>>> said DingTalk group and on social media).
> >>>>
> >>>> Let me know what you think about this idea :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Robert
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
> >>>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
> --
Best,
Kurt
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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

Piotr Nowojski-2
+1, good idea, especially with that many Chinese speaking contributors, committers & users :)

Piotrek

> On 24 Jan 2019, at 13:20, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Big +1 on this, it will indeed help Chinese speaking users a lot.
>
> fudian.fd <[hidden email]>于2019年1月24日 周四20:18写道:
>
>> +1. I noticed that many folks from China are requesting the JIRA
>> permission in the past year. It reflects that more and more developers from
>> China are using Flink. A Chinese oriented mailing list will definitely be
>> helpful for the growth of Flink in China.
>>
>>
>>> 在 2019年1月24日,下午7:42,Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> 写道:
>>>
>>> +1, a very nice idea
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for your response.
>>>>
>>>> You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the mailing
>>>> list's name!
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <
>> [hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Robert,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the
>> title,
>>>>> but
>>>>> -cn in the opening email content.
>>>>> I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for general
>>>>> Chinese-speaking users).
>>>>> All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English
>> mailing
>>>>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>> From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's quite a
>> bit
>>>>> of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
>>>>> It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community can
>>>>> actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing lists,
>>>>> so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be
>> indexed
>>>>> and searchable.
>>>>> Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
>>>>> Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
>>>>> which in general is a form of contribution that the community always
>>>> merits
>>>>> a lot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Gordon
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
>>>>>> [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
>>>> community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>> In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came from the
>>>>> US,
>>>>>> 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US at
>>>> 20%.
>>>>>> An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group with
>>>> more
>>>>>> than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
>>>>>> I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in public
>>>> forums
>>>>>> (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a huge
>>>> demand
>>>>>> in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide these
>>>>> users
>>>>>> the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to follow
>>>>> the
>>>>>> Apache way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it possible?
>>>>>> I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are running
>>>>>> non-English user@ mailing lists.
>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
>>>> non-English
>>>>>> lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
>>>>>> One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that all
>>>>> project
>>>>>> decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to happen in
>>>>>> English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation and
>>>> our
>>>>>> community.
>>>>>> We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing lists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How?
>>>>>> If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request the
>>>> new
>>>>>> mailing list next Monday.
>>>>>> In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
>>>>>> discussions have stopped.
>>>>>> Then, we should put the new list on our website and start promoting it
>>>>> (in
>>>>>> said DingTalk group and on social media).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know what you think about this idea :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
>>>>>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
> Best,
> Kurt

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Jeff Zhang
+1

Piotr Nowojski <[hidden email]> 于2019年1月24日周四 下午8:38写道:

> +1, good idea, especially with that many Chinese speaking contributors,
> committers & users :)
>
> Piotrek
>
> > On 24 Jan 2019, at 13:20, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Big +1 on this, it will indeed help Chinese speaking users a lot.
> >
> > fudian.fd <[hidden email]>于2019年1月24日 周四20:18写道:
> >
> >> +1. I noticed that many folks from China are requesting the JIRA
> >> permission in the past year. It reflects that more and more developers
> from
> >> China are using Flink. A Chinese oriented mailing list will definitely
> be
> >> helpful for the growth of Flink in China.
> >>
> >>
> >>> 在 2019年1月24日,下午7:42,Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> 写道:
> >>>
> >>> +1, a very nice idea
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks for your response.
> >>>>
> >>>> You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the
> mailing
> >>>> list's name!
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <
> >> [hidden email]>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Robert,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the
> >> title,
> >>>>> but
> >>>>> -cn in the opening email content.
> >>>>> I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for
> general
> >>>>> Chinese-speaking users).
> >>>>> All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English
> >> mailing
> >>>>> list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's quite a
> >> bit
> >>>>> of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
> >>>>> It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community can
> >>>>> actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing lists,
> >>>>> so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be
> >> indexed
> >>>>> and searchable.
> >>>>> Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
> >>>>> Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
> >>>>> which in general is a form of contribution that the community always
> >>>> merits
> >>>>> a lot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Gordon
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hey all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
> >>>>>> [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
> >>>> community.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Why?
> >>>>>> In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came from
> the
> >>>>> US,
> >>>>>> 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US at
> >>>> 20%.
> >>>>>> An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group with
> >>>> more
> >>>>>> than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
> >>>>>> I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in public
> >>>> forums
> >>>>>> (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a huge
> >>>> demand
> >>>>>> in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide
> these
> >>>>> users
> >>>>>> the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to
> follow
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> Apache way.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is it possible?
> >>>>>> I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are
> running
> >>>>>> non-English user@ mailing lists.
> >>>>>> Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
> >>>> non-English
> >>>>>> lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
> >>>>>> One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that all
> >>>>> project
> >>>>>> decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to happen
> in
> >>>>>> English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation
> and
> >>>> our
> >>>>>> community.
> >>>>>> We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing lists.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How?
> >>>>>> If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request the
> >>>> new
> >>>>>> mailing list next Monday.
> >>>>>> In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
> >>>>>> discussions have stopped.
> >>>>>> Then, we should put the new list on our website and start promoting
> it
> >>>>> (in
> >>>>>> said DingTalk group and on social media).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Let me know what you think about this idea :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>> Robert
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
> >>>>>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> --
> > Best,
> > Kurt
>
>

--
Best Regards

Jeff Zhang
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Fabian Hueske-2
Thanks Robert!
I think this is a very good idea.
+1

Fabian

Am Do., 24. Jan. 2019 um 14:09 Uhr schrieb Jeff Zhang <[hidden email]>:

> +1
>
> Piotr Nowojski <[hidden email]> 于2019年1月24日周四 下午8:38写道:
>
> > +1, good idea, especially with that many Chinese speaking contributors,
> > committers & users :)
> >
> > Piotrek
> >
> > > On 24 Jan 2019, at 13:20, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Big +1 on this, it will indeed help Chinese speaking users a lot.
> > >
> > > fudian.fd <[hidden email]>于2019年1月24日 周四20:18写道:
> > >
> > >> +1. I noticed that many folks from China are requesting the JIRA
> > >> permission in the past year. It reflects that more and more developers
> > from
> > >> China are using Flink. A Chinese oriented mailing list will definitely
> > be
> > >> helpful for the growth of Flink in China.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> 在 2019年1月24日,下午7:42,Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> 写道:
> > >>>
> > >>> +1, a very nice idea
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Thanks for your response.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the
> > mailing
> > >>>> list's name!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <
> > >> [hidden email]>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Robert,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the
> > >> title,
> > >>>>> but
> > >>>>> -cn in the opening email content.
> > >>>>> I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for
> > general
> > >>>>> Chinese-speaking users).
> > >>>>> All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English
> > >> mailing
> > >>>>> list.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's
> quite a
> > >> bit
> > >>>>> of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
> > >>>>> It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community can
> > >>>>> actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing lists,
> > >>>>> so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be
> > >> indexed
> > >>>>> and searchable.
> > >>>>> Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
> > >>>>> Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
> > >>>>> which in general is a form of contribution that the community
> always
> > >>>> merits
> > >>>>> a lot.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>> Gordon
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <
> [hidden email]
> > >
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hey all,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
> > >>>>>> [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
> > >>>> community.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Why?
> > >>>>>> In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came from
> > the
> > >>>>> US,
> > >>>>>> 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US
> at
> > >>>> 20%.
> > >>>>>> An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group
> with
> > >>>> more
> > >>>>>> than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
> > >>>>>> I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in public
> > >>>> forums
> > >>>>>> (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a huge
> > >>>> demand
> > >>>>>> in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide
> > these
> > >>>>> users
> > >>>>>> the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to
> > follow
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>> Apache way.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Is it possible?
> > >>>>>> I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are
> > running
> > >>>>>> non-English user@ mailing lists.
> > >>>>>> Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
> > >>>> non-English
> > >>>>>> lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
> > >>>>>> One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that all
> > >>>>> project
> > >>>>>> decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to happen
> > in
> > >>>>>> English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation
> > and
> > >>>> our
> > >>>>>> community.
> > >>>>>> We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing lists.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> How?
> > >>>>>> If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request
> the
> > >>>> new
> > >>>>>> mailing list next Monday.
> > >>>>>> In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
> > >>>>>> discussions have stopped.
> > >>>>>> Then, we should put the new list on our website and start
> promoting
> > it
> > >>>>> (in
> > >>>>>> said DingTalk group and on social media).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Let me know what you think about this idea :)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Best,
> > >>>>>> Robert
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
> > >>>>>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > > Best,
> > > Kurt
> >
> >
>
> --
> Best Regards
>
> Jeff Zhang
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

Zhang, Xuefu
+1 on the idea. This will certainly help promote Flink in China industries. On a side note, it would be great if anyone in the list can help source ideas, bug reports, and feature requests to dev@ list and/or JIRAs so as to gain broader attention.

Thanks,
Xuefu


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From:Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>
Sent At:2019 Jan. 24 (Thu.) 05:32
To:dev <[hidden email]>
Subject:Re: [DISCUSS] Start a [hidden email] mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

Thanks Robert!
I think this is a very good idea.
+1

Fabian

Am Do., 24. Jan. 2019 um 14:09 Uhr schrieb Jeff Zhang <[hidden email]>:

> +1
>
> Piotr Nowojski <[hidden email]> 于2019年1月24日周四 下午8:38写道:
>
> > +1, good idea, especially with that many Chinese speaking contributors,
> > committers & users :)
> >
> > Piotrek
> >
> > > On 24 Jan 2019, at 13:20, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Big +1 on this, it will indeed help Chinese speaking users a lot.
> > >
> > > fudian.fd <[hidden email]>于2019年1月24日 周四20:18写道:
> > >
> > >> +1. I noticed that many folks from China are requesting the JIRA
> > >> permission in the past year. It reflects that more and more developers
> > from
> > >> China are using Flink. A Chinese oriented mailing list will definitely
> > be
> > >> helpful for the growth of Flink in China.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> 在 2019年1月24日,下午7:42,Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> 写道:
> > >>>
> > >>> +1, a very nice idea
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Thanks for your response.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the
> > mailing
> > >>>> list's name!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <
> > >> [hidden email]>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Robert,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the
> > >> title,
> > >>>>> but
> > >>>>> -cn in the opening email content.
> > >>>>> I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for
> > general
> > >>>>> Chinese-speaking users).
> > >>>>> All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English
> > >> mailing
> > >>>>> list.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's
> quite a
> > >> bit
> > >>>>> of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
> > >>>>> It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community can
> > >>>>> actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing lists,
> > >>>>> so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be
> > >> indexed
> > >>>>> and searchable.
> > >>>>> Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
> > >>>>> Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
> > >>>>> which in general is a form of contribution that the community
> always
> > >>>> merits
> > >>>>> a lot.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>> Gordon
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <
> [hidden email]
> > >
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hey all,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
> > >>>>>> [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
> > >>>> community.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Why?
> > >>>>>> In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came from
> > the
> > >>>>> US,
> > >>>>>> 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US
> at
> > >>>> 20%.
> > >>>>>> An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group
> with
> > >>>> more
> > >>>>>> than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
> > >>>>>> I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in public
> > >>>> forums
> > >>>>>> (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a huge
> > >>>> demand
> > >>>>>> in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide
> > these
> > >>>>> users
> > >>>>>> the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to
> > follow
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>> Apache way.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Is it possible?
> > >>>>>> I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are
> > running
> > >>>>>> non-English user@ mailing lists.
> > >>>>>> Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
> > >>>> non-English
> > >>>>>> lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
> > >>>>>> One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that all
> > >>>>> project
> > >>>>>> decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to happen
> > in
> > >>>>>> English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation
> > and
> > >>>> our
> > >>>>>> community.
> > >>>>>> We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing lists.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> How?
> > >>>>>> If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request
> the
> > >>>> new
> > >>>>>> mailing list next Monday.
> > >>>>>> In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
> > >>>>>> discussions have stopped.
> > >>>>>> Then, we should put the new list on our website and start
> promoting
> > it
> > >>>>> (in
> > >>>>>> said DingTalk group and on social media).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Let me know what you think about this idea :)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Best,
> > >>>>>> Robert
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
> > >>>>>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > > Best,
> > > Kurt
> >
> >
>
> --
> Best Regards
>
> Jeff Zhang
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

bowen.li
In reply to this post by Fabian Hueske-2
+1, a great starting point!

It'll be nice if we can later come up with some way to bridge the knowledge
between two email channels.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 5:32 AM Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks Robert!
> I think this is a very good idea.
> +1
>
> Fabian
>
> Am Do., 24. Jan. 2019 um 14:09 Uhr schrieb Jeff Zhang <[hidden email]>:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Piotr Nowojski <[hidden email]> 于2019年1月24日周四 下午8:38写道:
> >
> > > +1, good idea, especially with that many Chinese speaking contributors,
> > > committers & users :)
> > >
> > > Piotrek
> > >
> > > > On 24 Jan 2019, at 13:20, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Big +1 on this, it will indeed help Chinese speaking users a lot.
> > > >
> > > > fudian.fd <[hidden email]>于2019年1月24日 周四20:18写道:
> > > >
> > > >> +1. I noticed that many folks from China are requesting the JIRA
> > > >> permission in the past year. It reflects that more and more
> developers
> > > from
> > > >> China are using Flink. A Chinese oriented mailing list will
> definitely
> > > be
> > > >> helpful for the growth of Flink in China.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> 在 2019年1月24日,下午7:42,Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> 写道:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> +1, a very nice idea
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Robert Metzger <
> [hidden email]
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Thanks for your response.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the
> > > mailing
> > > >>>> list's name!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <
> > > >> [hidden email]>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Hi Robert,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the
> > > >> title,
> > > >>>>> but
> > > >>>>> -cn in the opening email content.
> > > >>>>> I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for
> > > general
> > > >>>>> Chinese-speaking users).
> > > >>>>> All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English
> > > >> mailing
> > > >>>>> list.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's
> > quite a
> > > >> bit
> > > >>>>> of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
> > > >>>>> It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community
> can
> > > >>>>> actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing
> lists,
> > > >>>>> so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be
> > > >> indexed
> > > >>>>> and searchable.
> > > >>>>> Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
> > > >>>>> Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
> > > >>>>> which in general is a form of contribution that the community
> > always
> > > >>>> merits
> > > >>>>> a lot.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Cheers,
> > > >>>>> Gordon
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <
> > [hidden email]
> > > >
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Hey all,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
> > > >>>>>> [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
> > > >>>> community.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Why?
> > > >>>>>> In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came
> from
> > > the
> > > >>>>> US,
> > > >>>>>> 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the
> US
> > at
> > > >>>> 20%.
> > > >>>>>> An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group
> > with
> > > >>>> more
> > > >>>>>> than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
> > > >>>>>> I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in
> public
> > > >>>> forums
> > > >>>>>> (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a
> huge
> > > >>>> demand
> > > >>>>>> in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide
> > > these
> > > >>>>> users
> > > >>>>>> the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to
> > > follow
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> Apache way.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Is it possible?
> > > >>>>>> I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are
> > > running
> > > >>>>>> non-English user@ mailing lists.
> > > >>>>>> Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
> > > >>>> non-English
> > > >>>>>> lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
> > > >>>>>> One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that
> all
> > > >>>>> project
> > > >>>>>> decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to
> happen
> > > in
> > > >>>>>> English, as this is the primary language of the Apache
> Foundation
> > > and
> > > >>>> our
> > > >>>>>> community.
> > > >>>>>> We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing
> lists.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> How?
> > > >>>>>> If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request
> > the
> > > >>>> new
> > > >>>>>> mailing list next Monday.
> > > >>>>>> In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when
> the
> > > >>>>>> discussions have stopped.
> > > >>>>>> Then, we should put the new list on our website and start
> > promoting
> > > it
> > > >>>>> (in
> > > >>>>>> said DingTalk group and on social media).
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Let me know what you think about this idea :)
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Best,
> > > >>>>>> Robert
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
> > > >>>>>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > > Best,
> > > > Kurt
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards
> >
> > Jeff Zhang
> >
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

Guowei Ma
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+1

This not only helps Chinese users but also helps the community to collect more feedback and scenarios.


> 在 2019年1月25日,上午2:29,Zhang, Xuefu <[hidden email]> 写道:
>
> +1 on the idea. This will certainly help promote Flink in China industries. On a side note, it would be great if anyone in the list can help source ideas, bug reports, and feature requests to dev@ list and/or JIRAs so as to gain broader attention.
>
> Thanks,
> Xuefu
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> From:Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>
> Sent At:2019 Jan. 24 (Thu.) 05:32
> To:dev <[hidden email]>
> Subject:Re: [DISCUSS] Start a [hidden email] mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?
>
> Thanks Robert!
> I think this is a very good idea.
> +1
>
> Fabian
>
>> Am Do., 24. Jan. 2019 um 14:09 Uhr schrieb Jeff Zhang <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Piotr Nowojski <[hidden email]> 于2019年1月24日周四 下午8:38写道:
>>
>>> +1, good idea, especially with that many Chinese speaking contributors,
>>> committers & users :)
>>>
>>> Piotrek
>>>
>>>> On 24 Jan 2019, at 13:20, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Big +1 on this, it will indeed help Chinese speaking users a lot.
>>>>
>>>> fudian.fd <[hidden email]>于2019年1月24日 周四20:18写道:
>>>>
>>>>> +1. I noticed that many folks from China are requesting the JIRA
>>>>> permission in the past year. It reflects that more and more developers
>>> from
>>>>> China are using Flink. A Chinese oriented mailing list will definitely
>>> be
>>>>> helpful for the growth of Flink in China.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 在 2019年1月24日,下午7:42,Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> 写道:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1, a very nice idea
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]
>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your response.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the
>>> mailing
>>>>>>> list's name!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <
>>>>> [hidden email]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Robert,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the
>>>>> title,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> -cn in the opening email content.
>>>>>>>> I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for
>>> general
>>>>>>>> Chinese-speaking users).
>>>>>>>> All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English
>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's
>> quite a
>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>> of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
>>>>>>>> It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community can
>>>>>>>> actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing lists,
>>>>>>>> so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be
>>>>> indexed
>>>>>>>> and searchable.
>>>>>>>> Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
>>>>>>>> Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
>>>>>>>> which in general is a form of contribution that the community
>> always
>>>>>>> merits
>>>>>>>> a lot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Gordon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <
>> [hidden email]
>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>> In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came from
>>> the
>>>>>>>> US,
>>>>>>>>> 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US
>> at
>>>>>>> 20%.
>>>>>>>>> An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group
>> with
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
>>>>>>>>> I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in public
>>>>>>> forums
>>>>>>>>> (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a huge
>>>>>>> demand
>>>>>>>>> in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide
>>> these
>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>> the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to
>>> follow
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Apache way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it possible?
>>>>>>>>> I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are
>>> running
>>>>>>>>> non-English user@ mailing lists.
>>>>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
>>>>>>> non-English
>>>>>>>>> lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
>>>>>>>>> One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that all
>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>> decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to happen
>>> in
>>>>>>>>> English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation
>>> and
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>>> We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing lists.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How?
>>>>>>>>> If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request
>> the
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>> mailing list next Monday.
>>>>>>>>> In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
>>>>>>>>> discussions have stopped.
>>>>>>>>> Then, we should put the new list on our website and start
>> promoting
>>> it
>>>>>>>> (in
>>>>>>>>> said DingTalk group and on social media).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think about this idea :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>> Best,
>>>> Kurt
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Jeff Zhang
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

Hequn Cheng
+1  This would be very helpful!


On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 8:15 AM Guowei Ma <[hidden email]> wrote:

> +1
>
> This not only helps Chinese users but also helps the community to collect
> more feedback and scenarios.
>
>
> > 在 2019年1月25日,上午2:29,Zhang, Xuefu <[hidden email]> 写道:
> >
> > +1 on the idea. This will certainly help promote Flink in China
> industries. On a side note, it would be great if anyone in the list can
> help source ideas, bug reports, and feature requests to dev@ list and/or
> JIRAs so as to gain broader attention.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Xuefu
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > From:Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>
> > Sent At:2019 Jan. 24 (Thu.) 05:32
> > To:dev <[hidden email]>
> > Subject:Re: [DISCUSS] Start a [hidden email] mailing list for
> the Chinese-speaking community?
> >
> > Thanks Robert!
> > I think this is a very good idea.
> > +1
> >
> > Fabian
> >
> >> Am Do., 24. Jan. 2019 um 14:09 Uhr schrieb Jeff Zhang <[hidden email]
> >:
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> Piotr Nowojski <[hidden email]> 于2019年1月24日周四 下午8:38写道:
> >>
> >>> +1, good idea, especially with that many Chinese speaking contributors,
> >>> committers & users :)
> >>>
> >>> Piotrek
> >>>
> >>>> On 24 Jan 2019, at 13:20, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Big +1 on this, it will indeed help Chinese speaking users a lot.
> >>>>
> >>>> fudian.fd <[hidden email]>于2019年1月24日 周四20:18写道:
> >>>>
> >>>>> +1. I noticed that many folks from China are requesting the JIRA
> >>>>> permission in the past year. It reflects that more and more
> developers
> >>> from
> >>>>> China are using Flink. A Chinese oriented mailing list will
> definitely
> >>> be
> >>>>> helpful for the growth of Flink in China.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> 在 2019年1月24日,下午7:42,Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> 写道:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> +1, a very nice idea
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Robert Metzger <
> [hidden email]
> >>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks for your response.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the
> >>> mailing
> >>>>>>> list's name!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <
> >>>>> [hidden email]>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Robert,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the
> >>>>> title,
> >>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>> -cn in the opening email content.
> >>>>>>>> I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for
> >>> general
> >>>>>>>> Chinese-speaking users).
> >>>>>>>> All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English
> >>>>> mailing
> >>>>>>>> list.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's
> >> quite a
> >>>>> bit
> >>>>>>>> of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
> >>>>>>>> It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community
> can
> >>>>>>>> actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing
> lists,
> >>>>>>>> so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be
> >>>>> indexed
> >>>>>>>> and searchable.
> >>>>>>>> Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
> >>>>>>>> Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
> >>>>>>>> which in general is a form of contribution that the community
> >> always
> >>>>>>> merits
> >>>>>>>> a lot.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>> Gordon
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <
> >> [hidden email]
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hey all,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
> >>>>>>>>> [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
> >>>>>>> community.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Why?
> >>>>>>>>> In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came
> from
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>> US,
> >>>>>>>>> 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US
> >> at
> >>>>>>> 20%.
> >>>>>>>>> An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group
> >> with
> >>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>> than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
> >>>>>>>>> I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in
> public
> >>>>>>> forums
> >>>>>>>>> (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a
> huge
> >>>>>>> demand
> >>>>>>>>> in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide
> >>> these
> >>>>>>>> users
> >>>>>>>>> the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to
> >>> follow
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> Apache way.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Is it possible?
> >>>>>>>>> I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are
> >>> running
> >>>>>>>>> non-English user@ mailing lists.
> >>>>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
> >>>>>>> non-English
> >>>>>>>>> lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
> >>>>>>>>> One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that
> all
> >>>>>>>> project
> >>>>>>>>> decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to
> happen
> >>> in
> >>>>>>>>> English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation
> >>> and
> >>>>>>> our
> >>>>>>>>> community.
> >>>>>>>>> We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing
> lists.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> How?
> >>>>>>>>> If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request
> >> the
> >>>>>>> new
> >>>>>>>>> mailing list next Monday.
> >>>>>>>>> In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
> >>>>>>>>> discussions have stopped.
> >>>>>>>>> Then, we should put the new list on our website and start
> >> promoting
> >>> it
> >>>>>>>> (in
> >>>>>>>>> said DingTalk group and on social media).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think about this idea :)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>> Robert
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
> >>>>>>>>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Kurt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best Regards
> >>
> >> Jeff Zhang
> >>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

shengjk1
+1, a good idea


thanks


On 01/25/2019 09:26,Hequn Cheng<[hidden email]> wrote:
+1  This would be very helpful!


On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 8:15 AM Guowei Ma <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1

This not only helps Chinese users but also helps the community to collect
more feedback and scenarios.


在 2019年1月25日,上午2:29,Zhang, Xuefu <[hidden email]> 写道:

+1 on the idea. This will certainly help promote Flink in China
industries. On a side note, it would be great if anyone in the list can
help source ideas, bug reports, and feature requests to dev@ list and/or
JIRAs so as to gain broader attention.

Thanks,
Xuefu


------------------------------------------------------------------
From:Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>
Sent At:2019 Jan. 24 (Thu.) 05:32
To:dev <[hidden email]>
Subject:Re: [DISCUSS] Start a [hidden email] mailing list for
the Chinese-speaking community?

Thanks Robert!
I think this is a very good idea.
+1

Fabian

Am Do., 24. Jan. 2019 um 14:09 Uhr schrieb Jeff Zhang <[hidden email]
:

+1

Piotr Nowojski <[hidden email]> 于2019年1月24日周四 下午8:38写道:

+1, good idea, especially with that many Chinese speaking contributors,
committers & users :)

Piotrek

On 24 Jan 2019, at 13:20, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote:

Big +1 on this, it will indeed help Chinese speaking users a lot.

fudian.fd <[hidden email]>于2019年1月24日 周四20:18写道:

+1. I noticed that many folks from China are requesting the JIRA
permission in the past year. It reflects that more and more
developers
from
China are using Flink. A Chinese oriented mailing list will
definitely
be
helpful for the growth of Flink in China.


在 2019年1月24日,下午7:42,Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> 写道:

+1, a very nice idea

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Robert Metzger <
[hidden email]

wrote:

Thanks for your response.

You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the
mailing
list's name!

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <
[hidden email]>
wrote:

Hi Robert,

Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!

+1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the
title,
but
-cn in the opening email content.
I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for
general
Chinese-speaking users).
All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English
mailing
list.

From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's
quite a
bit
of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community
can
actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing
lists,
so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be
indexed
and searchable.
Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
which in general is a form of contribution that the community
always
merits
a lot.

Cheers,
Gordon

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <
[hidden email]

wrote:

Hey all,

I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
[hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
community.

Why?
In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came
from
the
US,
22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US
at
20%.
An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group
with
more
than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in
public
forums
(our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a
huge
demand
in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide
these
users
the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to
follow
the
Apache way.

Is it possible?
I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are
running
non-English user@ mailing lists.
Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
non-English
lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that
all
project
decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to
happen
in
English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation
and
our
community.
We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing
lists.

How?
If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request
the
new
mailing list next Monday.
In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
discussions have stopped.
Then, we should put the new list on our website and start
promoting
it
(in
said DingTalk group and on social media).

Let me know what you think about this idea :)

Best,
Robert


PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH




--
Best,
Kurt



--
Best Regards

Jeff Zhang


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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

Jark
a big +1 to this!

An user-zh mailing list will help more Chinese speaking users and there
will be more people willing to help answer questions who want to contribute
for Flink.
It's exciting to see the community is embracing Chinese speaking users.

Best, Jark

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 at 11:59, shengjk1 <[hidden email]> wrote:

> +1, a good idea
>
>
> thanks
>
>
> On 01/25/2019 09:26,Hequn Cheng<[hidden email]> wrote:
> +1  This would be very helpful!
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 8:15 AM Guowei Ma <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> This not only helps Chinese users but also helps the community to collect
> more feedback and scenarios.
>
>
> 在 2019年1月25日,上午2:29,Zhang, Xuefu <[hidden email]> 写道:
>
> +1 on the idea. This will certainly help promote Flink in China
> industries. On a side note, it would be great if anyone in the list can
> help source ideas, bug reports, and feature requests to dev@ list and/or
> JIRAs so as to gain broader attention.
>
> Thanks,
> Xuefu
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> From:Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>
> Sent At:2019 Jan. 24 (Thu.) 05:32
> To:dev <[hidden email]>
> Subject:Re: [DISCUSS] Start a [hidden email] mailing list for
> the Chinese-speaking community?
>
> Thanks Robert!
> I think this is a very good idea.
> +1
>
> Fabian
>
> Am Do., 24. Jan. 2019 um 14:09 Uhr schrieb Jeff Zhang <[hidden email]
> :
>
> +1
>
> Piotr Nowojski <[hidden email]> 于2019年1月24日周四 下午8:38写道:
>
> +1, good idea, especially with that many Chinese speaking contributors,
> committers & users :)
>
> Piotrek
>
> On 24 Jan 2019, at 13:20, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Big +1 on this, it will indeed help Chinese speaking users a lot.
>
> fudian.fd <[hidden email]>于2019年1月24日 周四20:18写道:
>
> +1. I noticed that many folks from China are requesting the JIRA
> permission in the past year. It reflects that more and more
> developers
> from
> China are using Flink. A Chinese oriented mailing list will
> definitely
> be
> helpful for the growth of Flink in China.
>
>
> 在 2019年1月24日,下午7:42,Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> 写道:
>
> +1, a very nice idea
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Robert Metzger <
> [hidden email]
>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your response.
>
> You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the
> mailing
> list's name!
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <
> [hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
>
> +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the
> title,
> but
> -cn in the opening email content.
> I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for
> general
> Chinese-speaking users).
> All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English
> mailing
> list.
>
> From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's
> quite a
> bit
> of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
> It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community
> can
> actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing
> lists,
> so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be
> indexed
> and searchable.
> Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
> Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
> which in general is a form of contribution that the community
> always
> merits
> a lot.
>
> Cheers,
> Gordon
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <
> [hidden email]
>
> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
> [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
> community.
>
> Why?
> In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came
> from
> the
> US,
> 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US
> at
> 20%.
> An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group
> with
> more
> than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
> I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in
> public
> forums
> (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a
> huge
> demand
> in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide
> these
> users
> the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to
> follow
> the
> Apache way.
>
> Is it possible?
> I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are
> running
> non-English user@ mailing lists.
> Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
> non-English
> lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
> One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that
> all
> project
> decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to
> happen
> in
> English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation
> and
> our
> community.
> We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing
> lists.
>
> How?
> If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request
> the
> new
> mailing list next Monday.
> In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
> discussions have stopped.
> Then, we should put the new list on our website and start
> promoting
> it
> (in
> said DingTalk group and on social media).
>
> Let me know what you think about this idea :)
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
>
> PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
>
>
>
>
> --
> Best,
> Kurt
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards
>
> Jeff Zhang
>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

Till Rohrmann
+1, I like this idea very much.

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 5:38 AM Jark Wu <[hidden email]> wrote:

> a big +1 to this!
>
> An user-zh mailing list will help more Chinese speaking users and there
> will be more people willing to help answer questions who want to contribute
> for Flink.
> It's exciting to see the community is embracing Chinese speaking users.
>
> Best, Jark
>
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 at 11:59, shengjk1 <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > +1, a good idea
> >
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> > On 01/25/2019 09:26,Hequn Cheng<[hidden email]> wrote:
> > +1  This would be very helpful!
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 8:15 AM Guowei Ma <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > +1
> >
> > This not only helps Chinese users but also helps the community to collect
> > more feedback and scenarios.
> >
> >
> > 在 2019年1月25日,上午2:29,Zhang, Xuefu <[hidden email]> 写道:
> >
> > +1 on the idea. This will certainly help promote Flink in China
> > industries. On a side note, it would be great if anyone in the list can
> > help source ideas, bug reports, and feature requests to dev@ list and/or
> > JIRAs so as to gain broader attention.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Xuefu
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > From:Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>
> > Sent At:2019 Jan. 24 (Thu.) 05:32
> > To:dev <[hidden email]>
> > Subject:Re: [DISCUSS] Start a [hidden email] mailing list for
> > the Chinese-speaking community?
> >
> > Thanks Robert!
> > I think this is a very good idea.
> > +1
> >
> > Fabian
> >
> > Am Do., 24. Jan. 2019 um 14:09 Uhr schrieb Jeff Zhang <[hidden email]
> > :
> >
> > +1
> >
> > Piotr Nowojski <[hidden email]> 于2019年1月24日周四 下午8:38写道:
> >
> > +1, good idea, especially with that many Chinese speaking contributors,
> > committers & users :)
> >
> > Piotrek
> >
> > On 24 Jan 2019, at 13:20, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Big +1 on this, it will indeed help Chinese speaking users a lot.
> >
> > fudian.fd <[hidden email]>于2019年1月24日 周四20:18写道:
> >
> > +1. I noticed that many folks from China are requesting the JIRA
> > permission in the past year. It reflects that more and more
> > developers
> > from
> > China are using Flink. A Chinese oriented mailing list will
> > definitely
> > be
> > helpful for the growth of Flink in China.
> >
> >
> > 在 2019年1月24日,下午7:42,Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> 写道:
> >
> > +1, a very nice idea
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Robert Metzger <
> > [hidden email]
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your response.
> >
> > You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the
> > mailing
> > list's name!
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <
> > [hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
> >
> > +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the
> > title,
> > but
> > -cn in the opening email content.
> > I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for
> > general
> > Chinese-speaking users).
> > All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English
> > mailing
> > list.
> >
> > From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's
> > quite a
> > bit
> > of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
> > It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community
> > can
> > actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing
> > lists,
> > so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be
> > indexed
> > and searchable.
> > Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
> > Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
> > which in general is a form of contribution that the community
> > always
> > merits
> > a lot.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Gordon
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <
> > [hidden email]
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
> > [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
> > community.
> >
> > Why?
> > In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came
> > from
> > the
> > US,
> > 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US
> > at
> > 20%.
> > An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group
> > with
> > more
> > than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
> > I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in
> > public
> > forums
> > (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a
> > huge
> > demand
> > in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide
> > these
> > users
> > the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to
> > follow
> > the
> > Apache way.
> >
> > Is it possible?
> > I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are
> > running
> > non-English user@ mailing lists.
> > Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
> > non-English
> > lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
> > One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that
> > all
> > project
> > decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to
> > happen
> > in
> > English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation
> > and
> > our
> > community.
> > We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing
> > lists.
> >
> > How?
> > If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request
> > the
> > new
> > mailing list next Monday.
> > In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
> > discussions have stopped.
> > Then, we should put the new list on our website and start
> > promoting
> > it
> > (in
> > said DingTalk group and on social media).
> >
> > Let me know what you think about this idea :)
> >
> > Best,
> > Robert
> >
> >
> > PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best,
> > Kurt
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards
> >
> > Jeff Zhang
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

Kostas Tzoumas-2
+1

great idea!

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 11:28 AM Till Rohrmann <[hidden email]> wrote:

> +1, I like this idea very much.
>
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 5:38 AM Jark Wu <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > a big +1 to this!
> >
> > An user-zh mailing list will help more Chinese speaking users and there
> > will be more people willing to help answer questions who want to
> contribute
> > for Flink.
> > It's exciting to see the community is embracing Chinese speaking users.
> >
> > Best, Jark
> >
> > On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 at 11:59, shengjk1 <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > +1, a good idea
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > On 01/25/2019 09:26,Hequn Cheng<[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > +1  This would be very helpful!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 8:15 AM Guowei Ma <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > This not only helps Chinese users but also helps the community to
> collect
> > > more feedback and scenarios.
> > >
> > >
> > > 在 2019年1月25日,上午2:29,Zhang, Xuefu <[hidden email]> 写道:
> > >
> > > +1 on the idea. This will certainly help promote Flink in China
> > > industries. On a side note, it would be great if anyone in the list can
> > > help source ideas, bug reports, and feature requests to dev@ list
> and/or
> > > JIRAs so as to gain broader attention.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Xuefu
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > From:Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>
> > > Sent At:2019 Jan. 24 (Thu.) 05:32
> > > To:dev <[hidden email]>
> > > Subject:Re: [DISCUSS] Start a [hidden email] mailing list
> for
> > > the Chinese-speaking community?
> > >
> > > Thanks Robert!
> > > I think this is a very good idea.
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Fabian
> > >
> > > Am Do., 24. Jan. 2019 um 14:09 Uhr schrieb Jeff Zhang <
> [hidden email]
> > > :
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Piotr Nowojski <[hidden email]> 于2019年1月24日周四 下午8:38写道:
> > >
> > > +1, good idea, especially with that many Chinese speaking contributors,
> > > committers & users :)
> > >
> > > Piotrek
> > >
> > > On 24 Jan 2019, at 13:20, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Big +1 on this, it will indeed help Chinese speaking users a lot.
> > >
> > > fudian.fd <[hidden email]>于2019年1月24日 周四20:18写道:
> > >
> > > +1. I noticed that many folks from China are requesting the JIRA
> > > permission in the past year. It reflects that more and more
> > > developers
> > > from
> > > China are using Flink. A Chinese oriented mailing list will
> > > definitely
> > > be
> > > helpful for the growth of Flink in China.
> > >
> > >
> > > 在 2019年1月24日,下午7:42,Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> 写道:
> > >
> > > +1, a very nice idea
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Robert Metzger <
> > > [hidden email]
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for your response.
> > >
> > > You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the
> > > mailing
> > > list's name!
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <
> > > [hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Robert,
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
> > >
> > > +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the
> > > title,
> > > but
> > > -cn in the opening email content.
> > > I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for
> > > general
> > > Chinese-speaking users).
> > > All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English
> > > mailing
> > > list.
> > >
> > > From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's
> > > quite a
> > > bit
> > > of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
> > > It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community
> > > can
> > > actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing
> > > lists,
> > > so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be
> > > indexed
> > > and searchable.
> > > Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
> > > Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
> > > which in general is a form of contribution that the community
> > > always
> > > merits
> > > a lot.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Gordon
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <
> > > [hidden email]
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey all,
> > >
> > > I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
> > > [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
> > > community.
> > >
> > > Why?
> > > In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came
> > > from
> > > the
> > > US,
> > > 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US
> > > at
> > > 20%.
> > > An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group
> > > with
> > > more
> > > than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
> > > I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in
> > > public
> > > forums
> > > (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a
> > > huge
> > > demand
> > > in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide
> > > these
> > > users
> > > the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to
> > > follow
> > > the
> > > Apache way.
> > >
> > > Is it possible?
> > > I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are
> > > running
> > > non-English user@ mailing lists.
> > > Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
> > > non-English
> > > lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
> > > One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that
> > > all
> > > project
> > > decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to
> > > happen
> > > in
> > > English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation
> > > and
> > > our
> > > community.
> > > We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing
> > > lists.
> > >
> > > How?
> > > If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request
> > > the
> > > new
> > > mailing list next Monday.
> > > In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
> > > discussions have stopped.
> > > Then, we should put the new list on our website and start
> > > promoting
> > > it
> > > (in
> > > said DingTalk group and on social media).
> > >
> > > Let me know what you think about this idea :)
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Robert
> > >
> > >
> > > PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
> > > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best,
> > > Kurt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best Regards
> > >
> > > Jeff Zhang
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

Shaoxuan Wang
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+1. Looking forward to it.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:41 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks for your response.
>
> You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the mailing
> list's name!
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
> >
> > +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the title,
> > but
> > -cn in the opening email content.
> > I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for general
> > Chinese-speaking users).
> > All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English mailing
> > list.
> >
> > From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's quite a bit
> > of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
> > It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community can
> > actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing lists,
> > so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be indexed
> > and searchable.
> > Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
> > Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
> > which in general is a form of contribution that the community always
> merits
> > a lot.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Gordon
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hey all,
> > >
> > > I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
> > > [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
> community.
> > >
> > > Why?
> > > In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came from the
> > US,
> > > 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US at
> 20%.
> > > An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group with
> more
> > > than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
> > > I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in public
> forums
> > > (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a huge
> demand
> > > in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide these
> > users
> > > the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to follow
> > the
> > > Apache way.
> > >
> > > Is it possible?
> > > I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are running
> > > non-English user@ mailing lists.
> > > Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
> non-English
> > > lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
> > > One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that all
> > project
> > > decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to happen in
> > > English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation and
> our
> > > community.
> > > We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing lists.
> > >
> > > How?
> > > If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request the
> new
> > > mailing list next Monday.
> > > In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
> > > discussions have stopped.
> > > Then, we should put the new list on our website and start promoting it
> > (in
> > > said DingTalk group and on social media).
> > >
> > > Let me know what you think about this idea :)
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Robert
> > >
> > >
> > > PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
> > > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
> > >
> >
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user-zh@flink.apache.org mailing list for the Chinese-speaking community?

Becket Qin
+1. Great idea!

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:02 AM Shaoxuan Wang <[hidden email]> wrote:

> +1. Looking forward to it.
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:41 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your response.
> >
> > You are right, I'm proposing "[hidden email]" as the mailing
> > list's name!
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <
> [hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Robert,
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
> > >
> > > +1 to a [hidden email] mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the
> title,
> > > but
> > > -cn in the opening email content.
> > > I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for general
> > > Chinese-speaking users).
> > > All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should still be in a single English
> mailing
> > > list.
> > >
> > > From what I've seen in the DingTalk Flink user group, there's quite a
> bit
> > > of activity in forms of user questions and replies.
> > > It would really be great if the Chinese-speaking user community can
> > > actually have these discussions happen in the Apache mailing lists,
> > > so that questions / discussions / replies from developers can be
> indexed
> > > and searchable.
> > > Moreover, it'll give the community more insight in how active a
> > > Chinese-speaking contributor is helping with user requests,
> > > which in general is a form of contribution that the community always
> > merits
> > > a lot.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Gordon
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey all,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
> > > > [hidden email]" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink
> > community.
> > > >
> > > > Why?
> > > > In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came from
> the
> > > US,
> > > > 22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US at
> > 20%.
> > > > An additional data point is that there's a Flink DingTalk group with
> > more
> > > > than 5000 members, asking Flink questions.
> > > > I believe that knowledge about Flink should be available in public
> > forums
> > > > (our mailing list), indexable by search engines. If there's a huge
> > demand
> > > > in a Chinese language support, we as a community should provide these
> > > users
> > > > the tools they need, to grow our community and to allow them to
> follow
> > > the
> > > > Apache way.
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible?
> > > > I believe it is, because a number of other Apache projects are
> running
> > > > non-English user@ mailing lists.
> > > > Apache OpenOffice, Cocoon, OpenMeetings, CloudStack all have
> > non-English
> > > > lists: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
> > > > One thing I want to make very clear in this discussion is that all
> > > project
> > > > decisions, developer discussions, JIRA tickets etc. need to happen in
> > > > English, as this is the primary language of the Apache Foundation and
> > our
> > > > community.
> > > > We should also clarify this on the page listing the mailing lists.
> > > >
> > > > How?
> > > > If there is consensus in this discussion thread, I would request the
> > new
> > > > mailing list next Monday.
> > > > In case of discussions, I will start a vote on Monday or when the
> > > > discussions have stopped.
> > > > Then, we should put the new list on our website and start promoting
> it
> > > (in
> > > > said DingTalk group and on social media).
> > > >
> > > > Let me know what you think about this idea :)
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Robert
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > PS: In case you are wondering what ZH stands for:
> > > > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ZH
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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